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    Hello Mods+Admins.

    I was speaking to a Moderator today about appealing and reporting threads/people

    This is the response I was given:

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    This is a problem because I don't think the mods always take the rules into consideration. Most of the time they do but some of the time I feel their response is based on favouritism (whether they like the person or not) and if they don't like the person they can just ban their appeal and it will go unnoticed.

    This is why I feel a new feature should be added. If a mod responds to an appeal or report a player thread, and the person who has been given the offence doesn't like the response of the Moderator, then the player can ask for a review on the original response, and the Administrator can decide whether the person's punishments get revoked or not.

    This is a great idea, because it means the Moderators are on watch. Currently, certain Moderators feel that they can do what they want because they are ranked and can get off lightly, which is the wrong approach. Moderators should be able to help people and be nice to them. However some Moderators I feel abuse their power.

    I hope you can implement this into the forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendOfficial View Post
    This is a problem because I don't think the mods always take the rules into consideration.
    If they don't then I reverse the moderators decision.


    Most of the time they do but some of the time I feel their response is based on favouritism (whether they like the person or not) and if they don't like the person
    If this was the case they wouldn't and shouldn't be a moderator. Feel free to report them if you actually have proof of this.


    they can just ban their appeal and it will go unnoticed.
    Unnoticed by who? Administrators actively monitor appeals and reports.


    If a mod responds to an appeal or report a player thread, and the person who has been given the offence doesn't like the response of the Moderator, then the player can ask for a review on the original response, and the Administrator can decide whether the person's punishments get revoked or not.
    So every time somebody gets banned they are going to disagree with the moderator and ask for an admin to review it? If there was an issue with the punishment (i.e. a mod abusing) and you have proof of it then report the staff member. But don't just report them if you disagree, only report them if they are acting out of line.


    This is a great idea
    No it isn't


    because it means the Moderators are on watch
    Already are.


    Currently, certain Moderators feel that they can do what they want because they are ranked and can get off lightly, which is the wrong approach.
    No they don't.


    Moderators should be able to help people and be nice to them. However some Moderators I feel abuse their power.
    Again if you have proof of abuse then report them.


    I hope you can implement this into the forums.
    Won't happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scu11 View Post
    If they don't then I reverse the moderators decision.




    If this was the case they wouldn't and shouldn't be a moderator. Feel free to report them if you actually have proof of this.




    Unnoticed by who? Administrators actively monitor appeals and reports.




    So every time somebody gets banned they are going to disagree with the moderator and ask for an admin to review it? If there was an issue with the punishment (i.e. a mod abusing) and you have proof of it then report the staff member. But don't just report them if you disagree, only report them if they are acting out of line.




    No it isn't




    Already are.




    No they don't.




    Again if you have proof of abuse then report them.




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    Well this is what happens on Sythe, and that is why this can be a more successful environment. Unfortunately, when you respond to someone's appeal, I feel that your explanations are very basic. You need to go in depth with you're appeals, and therefore I feel that this suggestion is much needed.

    Also, how can you reverse a moderator's decision when you're just a regular moderator yourself. The only reason you have decided to comment on this is because if this goes through then you have a higher chance of losing your Moderator status. Sorry to say it but I am just trying to tell the truth.

    Finally, we don't know that Administrators actively read appeals because their names don't even show up on half the appeals that people have submitted. This is why this suggestion is useful and needs to be implemented. This is being done for the community and to help players who have been banned for no particular reason. Staff fail to show proof. If I was to post a 4 minute youtube video of people falling over and that video contained a virus, then that doesn't mean I am promoting hacking. It just shows that I accidentally posted a video with a virus in the description. Therefore that should be a warning and not a perm ban.

    If people were to report you then you'd just decline it instantly because your a staff member.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendOfficial View Post
    Well this is what happens on Sythe, and that is why this can be a more successful environment. Unfortunately, when you respond to someone's appeal, I feel that your explanations are very basic. You need to go in depth with you're appeals, and therefore I feel that this suggestion is much needed.

    Also, how can you reverse a moderator's decision when you're just a regular moderator yourself. The only reason you have decided to comment on this is because if this goes through then you have a higher chance of losing your Moderator status. Sorry to say it but I am just trying to tell the truth.

    Finally, we don't know that Administrators actively read appeals because their names don't even show up on half the appeals that people have submitted. This is why this suggestion is useful and needs to be implemented. This is being done for the community and to help players who have been banned for no particular reason. Staff fail to show proof. If I was to post a 4 minute youtube video of people falling over and that video contained a virus, then that doesn't mean I am promoting hacking. It just shows that I accidentally posted a video with a virus in the description. Therefore that should be a warning and not a perm ban.

    If people were to report you then you'd just decline it instantly because your a staff member.
    If staff members are reported, it'd obviously be handled by someone with a higher form of authority. He literally upholds the rank you suggested in your op, his role is to decide the outcome of appeals, look up the definition of appellate. :L
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by hc747 View Post
    If staff members are reported, it'd obviously be handled by someone with a higher form of authority. He literally upholds the rank you suggested in your op, his role is to decide the outcome of appeals, look up the definition of appellate. :L
    Will do.

    Again though, Admins are too inactive on the forums. They come on from time to time to post an announcement. Then they are off. Some admins either need to be demoted, or specific mods need to be promoted. They are not constantly checking the forums as you claim. If I report a Mod then it'd most likely take me 6 months to get a response.
     

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    just don't start shit or do stupid things and you wont need to make appeals.
     

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    Who cares really. Dont do stupid things and you won't have any problems. The admins (and even mods) shouldn't have to baby you constantly by always being available as you need them.
     

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    Rune-Server is filled with idiots period. Ignore it.
     

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    Moderators (in this case, Scu11 handling appeals) are excepted to (and we do) handle reports/appeals from a neutral standpoint. With that being said, you can expect someone of higher authority to provide the same judgement. If you feel a moderator is improperly or impartially handling reports/appeals, you are strongly encouraged to file a Staff Report.

    If you really wanted, you could try ankle biting an administrator to handle your appeal, but like I said, they're almost guaranteed to handle reports/appeals with the same judgement they entrust others to handle them with.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendOfficial View Post
    If I report a Mod then it'd most likely take me 6 months to get a response.
    This is pure conjecture.


    Quote Originally Posted by LegendOfficial View Post
    Well this is what happens on Sythe, and that is why this can be a more successful environment.
    What. You said it happens on another site and said "this is why it can be more successful"... why exactly? You didn't provide anything to prove that it would be successful other than "sythe" does it.


    Unfortunately, when you respond to someone's appeal, I feel that your explanations are very basic. You need to go in depth with you're appeals
    You cannot view anyones appeal other than your own so this is purely conjecture.


    Also, how can you reverse a moderator's decision when you're just a regular moderator yourself.
    Because I am not a regular moderator, I am an appellate moderator and have additional abilities/control over the regular moderators.


    The only reason you have decided to comment on this is because if this goes through then you have a higher chance of losing your Moderator status.
    If I had any chance of losing my moderator status I would have gone ages ago. Been a mod for 4 years almost and definitely aren't going anywhere any time soon. Would like to know why you think my chance of losing moderator status would be higher with admins having to deal with stuff I've already dealt with though. If they didn't agree with my decisions or support my ability to make decisions then I wouldn't be mod in the first place - same goes for all of the mods.


    Finally, we don't know that Administrators actively read appeals because their names don't even show up on half the appeals that people have submitted.
    Why do you need to know? It doesn't concern you who is viewing an appeal thread - I am the designated moderator that deals with appeals.


    This is why this suggestion is useful and needs to be implemented.
    Yet you can't actually provide any use for it.


    to help players who have been banned for no particular reason.
    Nobody is banned for "no reason" and you are lying if you think this is true.


    Staff fail to show proof.
    This is also a lie - all infractions have proof associated with them (e.g. a ban for malicious content on a post will directly save the state of the post when it was infracted).


    If I was to post a 4 minute youtube video of people falling over and that video contained a virus, then that doesn't mean I am promoting hacking.
    Wrong:

    > Rule 7.1 Malicious Conduct
    > Malicious conduct may lead to severe account action. The malicious conduct can vary from denial of service attacks, group/mass spamming, registering an account with intent to cause trouble, and malicious software. This also includes providing software to engage in such acts.


    It just shows that I accidentally posted a video with a virus in the description.
    And you "accidentally" infected multiple members with malicious software that could compromise all sorts of things; their bank accounts, social media profiles, irl details etc.


    Therefore that should be a warning and not a perm ban.
    Why do we need to warn you to not post malicious content? You agreed to read and abide by the rules when you signed up, that was your warning.


    If people were to report you then you'd just decline it instantly because your a staff member.
    You think moderators can deal with staff reports on themselves? lol

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