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    Just finished reading this thread; http://www.rune-server.org/site/foru...d-reports.html

    ThaKiller claims that trading is part of the black market and it is at our own risk to trade. If we get scammed, that's our fault. But here is the solution:

    Make it so that Player reports are viewable by everyone. Why make them private if you are not going to be bothered to look at them? Wouldn't they be more useful to us? Having more info on a user before buying a service from them is better no? It will be the users option to judge someone based on a report or not. Whether they think the report is valid or not. Like you countlessly repeated; Moderators are not told to take care of reports, nor are Admins or the owners. What's the point of making them private then?
     

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    i'm with you in this
     

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    Forcing members to reveal their private conversations and information that they usually have to provide in these reports may put them off from filling reports at all.
    All of the reports are also looked into but they are not our priority and going through all the long reports is time consuming and exhausting.

    It's easy to suggest things as someone who has never been a moderator or seen how we and these things work but this would solve nothing

    edit: You have no one but yourself to blame when you get scammed in a black market. This community is full of greedy teenagers only looking to benefit themselves, middlemen are there to reduce the risk of getting scammed but shouldn't be fully trusted either since they're freelancers

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    Similar to what S Quare Quxx said, 100% of reports that are valid contain personal conversations, Skype names, PayPal emails, and sometimes phone numbers or addresses. We are NEVER going to force users to publicize their own, or someone else's private information.. it just isn't necessary.

    We aim to give scammers and the black market as little attention as possible. Considering a lot of scamming reports are invalid, we'd be promoting libel/slander/defamation on top of having private information exposed.
     

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    You are pretty much saying "We are a group of staff members that don't give a shit if you got scammed and won't ever give a shit if you get scammed again. You got scammed, it's your fault." and you are pretty much letting people scam. Much like the Paypal System.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Division-X View Post
    You are pretty much saying "We are a group of staff members that don't give a shit if you got scammed and won't ever give a shit if you get scammed again. You got scammed, it's your fault." and you are pretty much letting people scam. Much like the Paypal System.
    It's not their responsibility to watch over every trade. Why do you think it's called the 'black market' and not the 'secure trading center'. Because in a black market, shit happens. And that's a great explanation, 'shit happens'. If somebody scams you, just say shit happens and move on, if that person is greedy enough to scam, then that's their problem, not the moderators' problem.

    Anyways i do like this idea, except for the fact that some people might just create fake conversations to make somebody not get any customers, or because some personal information may get exposed.

    Anyways, this community is fine the way it is, if you don't like it, leave.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Division-X View Post
    You are pretty much saying "We are a group of staff members that don't give a shit if you got scammed and won't ever give a shit if you get scammed again. You got scammed, it's your fault." and you are pretty much letting people scam. Much like the Paypal System.
    Why are you caring more then the mods and admins are ? Pointless, if you fall for a scam then o well use a middleman next time or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Division-X View Post
    You are pretty much saying "We are a group of staff members that don't give a shit if you got scammed and won't ever give a shit if you get scammed again. You got scammed, it's your fault." and you are pretty much letting people scam. Much like the Paypal System.
    No.. that's not at all what we're saying. This concept has been explained to you a minimum of 5 times.
    It is a BLACK MARKET. Repeat after me - "black market". Say it again - "black... market.." Very good! Now define it: "A black market or underground economy is a market in which goods or services are traded illegally [or against rules]". You're doing great so far!

    We are not police officers, we are not your personal army, and we are not your go-to-guys when you are ignorant and naive enough to get scammed. Trades are 100% at YOUR OWN risk and YOU are responsible for what YOU are trading, and what YOU lose. We will not reimburse you, we will not prioritize your reports, we will not go out of our way to conduct a full-scale investigation on a scamming report. Scamming reports are simply still in existence to do the community a small favour if reports are very obvious and very valid.

    I think I speak on behalf of all the administrators and moderators when I say we are NOT looking to revamp an entire system that we are not liable for. We've begun making progress on making known scammers more known, but we are never going to do anything to prevent people from getting scammed. If you get scammed, it is your fault. You trusted that person with your files, your money, your work, your whatever. Us staff members didn't trust them with your stuff, so why are you trying to say "you guys should care and 100% prioritize all of our problems regardless of them being our fault or not"?

    Judging by the unauthorized advertisement in your signature, it's evident to me that you aren't aware of any Rune-Server rules, policies, terms of service, code of conduct, formats, sectional rules, or guidelines. I don't think you're in any position to be telling us how we should be handling those things when some of us have been doing it for years on end.

    With all of that being said, your OP suggests that you are already aware of the concepts I just explained to you for a 5th or 6th time. I'm really not sure why you (and others) keep falling back on this "you let people scam" theory. It's simply not true.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thakiller View Post
    No.. that's not at all what we're saying. This concept has been explained to you a minimum of 5 times.
    It is a BLACK MARKET. Repeat after me - "black market". Say it again - "black... market.." Very good! Now define it: "A black market or underground economy is a market in which goods or services are traded illegally [or against rules]". You're doing great so far!

    We are not police officers, we are not your personal army, and we are not your go-to-guys when you are ignorant and naive enough to get scammed. Trades are 100% at YOUR OWN risk and YOU are responsible for what YOU are trading, and what YOU lose. We will not reimburse you, we will not prioritize your reports, we will not go out of our way to conduct a full-scale investigation on a scamming report. Scamming reports are simply still in existence to do the community a small favour if reports are very obvious and very valid.

    I think I speak on behalf of all the administrators and moderators when I say we are NOT looking to revamp an entire system that we are not liable for. We've begun making progress on making known scammers more known, but we are never going to do anything to prevent people from getting scammed. If you get scammed, it is your fault. You trusted that person with your files, your money, your work, your whatever. Us staff members didn't trust them with your stuff, so why are you trying to say "you guys should care and 100% prioritize all of our problems regardless of them being our fault or not"?

    Judging by the unauthorized advertisement in your signature, it's evident to me that you aren't aware of any Rune-Server rules, policies, terms of service, code of conduct, formats, sectional rules, or guidelines. I don't think you're in any position to be telling us how we should be handling those things when some of us have been doing it for years on end.
    Like I said, if you don't care for the community, allow the community to see the reports. As for getting their private info out; they can watermark/blur out their private info. I am sure we would like to know how the scammers actually scam so that we can be careful in the future. But if you guys don't care, then just close the thread & allow scammers to carry on scamming
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Division-X View Post
    We are a group of staff members that don't give a shit if you got scammed and won't ever give a shit if you get scammed again. You got scammed, it's your fault.
    Well yeah, that's why its called a black market. We aren't some trading website, we don't offer buyer or seller protection, you should never trade under such an assumption.

    I really don't understand why you think we are somehow forced to care if you get scammed. We offer some protection in that we will deal with scam reports if/when we want - there is no gaurantee either way. The fact that we ever deal with them is proof we do not condone scamming, but equally as volunteers we are not going to spend 99% of our time dealing with the mass amount of scam reports and neglect the rest of the entire site just because you don't understand that this isn't a protected trading website.


    Much like the Paypal System.
    All this proves is that PayPal can't deal with it effectively either, so if a multibillion dollar corporation can't effectively deal with scammers why do you think an RSPS website can?

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